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Monday, 8 August 2016

EFCC Can Still Probe Obasanjo’s Third Term Bribery Allegation — Ribadu

Former Chairman of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, Nuhu Ribadu, speaks with John Alechenu about his recent return to the All Progressives Congress, the anti-graft war, and how Peoples Democratic Party leaders approached him recently to be the party’s national chairman

YOU RECENTLY RETURNED TO THE ALL PROGRESSIVES CONGRESS, A POLITICAL PARTY YOU PARTICIPATED IN FOUNDING. WHY DID YOU LEAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I joined politics during the 2010/ 2011 elections. By 2014, we were actively engaged; we almost succeeded in setting up the All Progressives Congress. At that time, I decided to go back home and start my politics at the local level in Adamawa State. Like they say, ‘all politics is local’ and it makes sense for you to concentrate at the local level for you to see how you will build your political career. I paid more attention to that. In 2014, a lot of people moved into the APC after it was formed. Some of us who formed the party, opened the gates for others to come in. In Adamawa State, PDP members moved into APC and I don’t need to mention names; they were well known then. Even at the time of setting up the party executives at the ward, local government and the state levels, those who were in the PDP in Adamawa, especially members of the state House of Assembly, played significant roles. They were the ones that, more or less, brought (together) all the officials at the ward, local government and state levels. The same set of people turned against the then APC government headed by Governor (Murtala) Nyako who also moved (from PDP to APC). His movement was genuine unlike so many others. They all turned against Nyako. Those who set up the party structure, especially members of the state Assembly and some godfathers, ganged up and removed Nyako. Those of us who were the original members of the APC did not like it and we fought in the best way we could without success. We knew that we were heading for trouble; we knew it was the beginning of crisis for the party in the state. Later, the same people who took over the APC from us divided themselves into two dominant political parties in the state. One group took over the PDP, while another took over the APC. It was funny and sad. At that time, I felt a lot more comfortable running away from those who were in charge because of what they did. It caused a lot of confusion for me as an individual I must admit.

WERE THERE CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO YOUR DEFECTION TO THE PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS OF THE TIME YOU DID? IF SO, WHAT WERE THEY?

No. If there were to be conditions. I should be the one giving the conditions instead, because I was invited to join the party. As of that time, those who invited me meant well for the state and also meant well for the country. They felt I could help in doing things correctly. As of that time, the decisions I made were in the best interest of my state, my family and my country. There was no other way, especially when a governor was just removed and there was so much confusion. It is not like everybody in PDP is bad just as it is not everybody in the APC that is good. Everywhere you have a combination of good and bad people. If that is the case, sometimes you look at those you can do business with. Nobody gave me conditions.

ARE THERE CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO YOUR RETURN TO THE APC?

One of the reasons I returned was that things have changed fundamentally. Those things that happened in Adamawa have been reversed. We are going through a healing process and the original people who are the progressives are coming back together and some important steps have been taken. For example, the recent court ruling which declared the removal of Nyako as wrong and illegal, is a good thing for me personally and for all of us who stood against his impeachment then.

The party today has good leadership. There is a change in the way things are being done in our country. We have a Federal Government that is focused and fighting lawlessness. Those are some of the things that have built up now and brought about a conducive environment for us to come back. Nobody gave us conditions neither did we give anyone conditions. After all, this is a party that I was a part of as a foundation member. I played a big role in the formative stage. It will not be difficult for me to reconnect.

YOU PAID A VISIT TO CHIEF BISI AKANDE MONTHS BEFORE YOUR RETURN TO THE APC. WHAT WAS IT ABOUT?

In respect of people like Baba Akande and the rest, we were never too far away from one another. He is like a father, it is not just him alone; many of them that have always been with me, we have never parted ways. They were aware of what happened then, that’s why nobody said anything. Many of them understood and wished me well. I was always close to all our political fathers who are more or less the fathers of progressive politics in Nigeria. Even when I was a little angry about what happened in Adamawa, I was never far away from them. We were together. It’s just sad that at the time I left, I could have been a little patient and quiet and allow things to calm down but I was vulnerable and a lot of my friends in the PDP, convinced me to come over after all, it’s about serving Nigeria. I was not far away from my people particularly Asiwaju (Ahmed Tinubu), Baba Akande and a lot of those who came together to form the party.

IS YOUR MOVEMENT FROM THE ACN/APC TO PDP AND NOW BACK TO APC NOT A SIGN OF DESPERATION FOR POWER?

No. Whatever my level of desperation, I couldn’t have been given the nomination of the ACN then, I had nothing, I didn’t have money. I don’t even have money now. If it is a matter of money, there is no way I can get anything in Nigeria. The same thing happened when I moved to Adamawa. Both sides were looking at me and said, ‘Please, why don’t you work for Adamawa State first, before anything else? You are not that old. Adamawa is not a bad place for you to start; come and participate.’ I am a human being; I listened and because of this, people were continuously asking for things. Up till now, nothing has changed (about me); it’s about people. I became the governorship candidate of the PDP in Adamawa not because I spent any money but because people agreed that I could do it. They said if APC is in confusion, come over. Not long ago, the PDP wanted me to be their national chairman. I have never been desperate in my life; desperation is far away from my character.

SOME HAVE ACCUSED YOU OF BETRAYAL… (Cuts in)

How?

THAT YOU BETRAYED YOUR ANTI-CORRUPTION POSTURE BY JOINING A PLATFORM WITH PEOPLE YOU PROSECUTED AS CHAIRMAN OF THE ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL CRIMES COMMISSION.

Which party can I belong to that they (people I prosecuted) are not there? Does it mean that I should not play politics because of others? It’s a straightforward thing. I am a Nigerian and I honestly want to contribute. I want to play my own role in the nation’s development and how to bring about peace and unity in my country. Unless you belong to a political party, it will be difficult for you to participate. You must take your own steps towards an opportunity for you to help your own country and a political party is open for all. It is a constitutional right. People are free to join political parties that they like and one cannot say because of someone who is there he will not join the party. I think that will not be fair to oneself, Nigeria and to everybody. In all the parties, we have good and bad people. I think I have no issue belonging to a political party with people, who somehow had been affected by my work while in the EFCC. I did my work honestly to the best of my ability, with no personal interest and vendetta; that’s why most of them are comfortable with me.

THE WAR ON CORRUPTION HAS BEEN FOUGHT SINCE THE 1960S BUT IT SEEMS CORRUPTION IS GETTING WORSE. WHAT IS YOUR TAKE?

It is not that we have done badly but Nigerians continue to ask for more. We are impatient people – which is a good thing. We make a lot of noise when we disagree with some things. If you ask me today, there is no country in the world that is fighting corruption like Nigeria. Why? I can tell you from the results of the work done. There is no anti-corruption institution or agency in the world that is handling cases like the EFCC. There is no anti-corruption agency or institution in the world that is doing the recovery that the EFCC is doing today. There is no anti-corruption agency in the world today that is taking cases to court – which is what anti-corruption agencies are supposed to do. I think these are the statistics we must accept and recognise the fact that we are not doing badly. The volume is large; corruption is all over the world; all countries have it. You will be shocked if you know what is happening in other African countries. The difference is that we are doing something about it. There were periods we were a little bit low but later came up. Right from the time President Obasanjo started the war against corruption, I think we started doing very well. We laid a solid foundation and then the EFCC is a good example of an agency that has a good foundation and which will continue to do its work. We have our own low points but we also have results to show for the work.Ibrahim Magu (current EFCC boss) is doing a good job. We have many institutions with modern tools of fighting corruption in Nigeria that are far more than many countries of the world. We have institutions like: NEITI (Nigerian Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative) promoting transparency and accountability in the extractive industry; it is solid and we have good hands managing it. We have the Bureau of Public Enterprises. We also have the Bureau of Public Procurement. We have the SFU (Nigeria Police Special Fraud Unit) and the NDIC (Nigeria Deposit Insurance Corporation). But we can do better; we need to have a national strategy to address the problem of corruption. We need to have a consensus (anti-graft system) that the executive, the legislature and the judiciary will buy into and understand what is needed to be done.

DO YOU SUBSCRIBE TO CALLS FOR A SPECIAL COURT TO HANDLE CORRUPTION RELATED ISSUES?

I have always been against doing ad hoc initiatives to address a big problem. Based on my own experience, I discovered that they do not work. I participated in the (Military) tribunals – Miscellaneous Offences Tribunals, Recovery of Public Property Tribunal; all these were special courts and all our works came to nothing because ultimately, they could not fit into the regular court system that we operate in Nigeria. So, and all the cases were thrown out and almost all the recoveries that were done went to waste. If every time you are confronted with a problem you create a court, you are going to have many that you will not be able to manage. We had anti-robbery tribunals; why are our courts not working? Why? They are the same human beings, the same Nigerians, why can’t we make them work? If we want our courts to work, they will work. There is no reason to create another one and abandon what is already in existence. Today, you say, Rent Tribunal, tomorrow you say Industrial Court, and day after tomorrow another one; when are we going to end that? This doesn’t happen in other places where courts are working. Why don’t we concentrate and make our existing courts work? During my days as the chairman of the EFCC, the courts worked. I had more than 90 per cent of success in all the cases I took to the court because in the first instance, we worked hard at the EFCC. By the time we build a case and it went to court, it was a solid case that would stand the test of prosecution. We were also honest and everybody knew that we did not take money and if I didn’t take money and if the case went to court, chances were that no one would take money. We were getting results; I never lost a single case on appeal or at the Supreme Court; not a single case because we worked hard. The courts are there, corruption comes in when there is a lousy work. If they see there is that political, will they will act accordingly; if they see honesty and transparency everybody will come along. But if you don’t do it, even if you create a special court you are going to face the same problem. I think it makes sense for us to invest in our regular courts, courts that can take all cases. For instance, we can say this particular judge can handle these kinds of cases. There is nothing wrong with, for example, say, within the Lagos Division, the Chief Judge knows judges who are good at specific areas and then assign such cases to them. We need to improve on the courts; improve on the quality of our judges through training and re-training, improve accountability and transparency and fight corruption. Let the judiciary cleanse itself by itself, let the Chief Justice lead the reform.

HOW WOULD YOU REACT TO THOSE WHO ACCUSE YOU OF PANDERING TO THE WHIMS OF FORMER PRESIDENT OLUSEGUN OBASANJO?

You cannot stop people from complaining especially if they were victims of your work but who are those people? Where are they? I need to know them. For over a decade, I have been making the same noise. Let people come and tell me that while I was working, I did this or that to pander to the then President Olusegun Obasanjo and I will reply. As of the time we did the work, even though it was a PDP government, 90 per cent of those we charged to court were PDP members. I don’t think they were all enemies of the president. Most of the works we did were transparent and were open for all to see. We had evidences which we took to court. How, for God’s sake, can anyone say all the works we did were because of this and that? We did not hide anything from the public. People who tried but failed to corrupt or blackmail someone, would always say something; it is left for Nigerians to look at it. There is nowhere in the world that you will fight corruption that people will not complain. They will always look for a reason to say something. In our own case, it was exceptional because most of them were PDP members and they were close to the president.

WHAT ABOUT THE ALLEGED DISTRIBUTION OF THE N50M TO LEGISLATORS TO ALTER THE CONSTITUTION TO GIVE OBASANJO A THIRD TERM?

In the first instance, third term did not work. There was no law that was passed. In dealing with corruption cases, the first thing to look at is what is the motivation? Was the act carried out? Was it successful? From there you build your case. The third term did not work for us to say this or that person was bribed and that’s why they passed the law or allowed third term. When you talk of third term’s money, first and foremost, as a law enforcement agency you have to first look at what is going on: did something happen that warrants you to say a crime has been committed? If something happened behind the scenes under the cover of darkness, how on earth can you build a case on that? How many things are happening right now that you don’t know about? We took steps; we stopped money in our banks when we became suspicious. Some of the former governors that we charged to court, for example, the governor of Jigawa (Saminu Turaki), had something to do with that. There were a couple of other cases that I was building before I was removed from the EFCC. The money was put in preparation for it (third term) but we stopped it. We went after the bankers and blocked accounts even before anything happened. I hope that those who said they were given money will come out and give details so that people will be prosecuted for it. This will help law enforcement agents to do their work; criminal cases don’t have time limits.

WHAT WERE YOUR EXPERIENCES WHEN YOU HANDLED THE NNPC PROBE UNDER THE JONATHAN ADMINISTRATION?

At that time, I was not even in the PDP and they felt I could do a good job. We did a lot of things. We looked at the NNPC (Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation) accounts, in and out; we went to the ports and presented a quality report that if that government had accepted and implemented it, we would have avoided many of the things that happened subsequently. When we went, we made a presentation to former President Goodluck Jonathan. We told him publicly that it was his government and that he should not allow others to mess him up. Those who challenged us tried to compromise the whole thing; we resisted. It was public knowledge, but after that, it never saw the light of the day.

WHAT WAS THE LOWEST POINT OF YOUR CAREER?

(Prolonged silence)… When I was forced out (of the EFCC). In fact, the saddest part of it was that it was the day that I was to graduate from the National Institute for Policy and Strategic Studies, Kuru and (Micheal) Andooakaa led a bunch of people to come and remove me from the graduation hall, it was terrible.

Source - Punch



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Sunday, 7 August 2016

INTERVIEW: Why I Want Ize-Iyamu To Be Governor, By Don Pedro Obaseki

By Gabriel Enogholase,

In this interview with Don Pedro Obaseki, he speaks on why he pulled out of Edo State All Progressives Congress (APC) governorship primary, and his decision to support Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu, the PDP candidate in the September 10 election in the state and maternal cousin, against the wish of his family.

WHEN YOU TOOK THE DECISION NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE APC GOVERNORSHIP PRIMARIES, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY ON YOUR MIND?

Actually, it was a very painful decision and my decision to run for the governorship was also originally based on my belief that it was time for people to step forward and rescue the state. I believe that we should change the wrong notion that politics is for the never-do-wells and insincere people.

What actually led to my withdrawal from the APC primaries was that when I got to Abuja, I sensed that the primaries would be rigged. I pulled out of the primaries because it was not all about winning, but letting people know that they have choices and that is why I started shopping for other parties that might give me a chance to run. Principal among the parties was the YDP, Labour Party which actually gave me honorary membership card and Accord Party.

I looked at the YDP, it is a party for the future, I looked at Labour, there were too many hiccups; Accord Party, their structure was just coming up, so, I decided to settle for Accord Party. My belief was that I would run and going forward, I never knew that we will get to where we are today.

As fate would have it, the Accord people met me and we went to the National Headquarters of the party in Abuja, completed all the formalities and offered the nomination since I was the only one who has purchased the nomination form and we came back to Benin.

The date of the primaries was fixed for the 4th of July, 2016, and it was held with relevant observers from INEC and security agents. We heard on the date of the submission of the nomination form that there was a court injunction with a 48 page supporting affidavit by one Samson Isibor and Isaac Adeniyi alleging that the National Executive of the party was not the actual National Executive, although that National Executive was the one recognized by INEC on its website.

The only alternative for me when it was just seven weeks to the election to start fighting a court case when the court was on its vacation to resume on September 29, was to opt out of the race because it was a coup that was planned against me. When INEC did not publish my name as a result of the court injunction the only reasonable thing to do was to wait and see or move back to my business.

WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO SUPPORT PASTOR IZE-IYAMU?

Pastor Ize-Iyamu apart from sending emissaries to me drove to my house on one of the Sundays with the entire PDP state executive led by Chief Dan Orbih to solicit for my support. He gave me his manifesto, I asked questions and he gave me satisfactory answers and I also insisted that some of those pet projects that I had in mind must be added to his Simple Agenda for Edo people.

So, anybody that I am going to support must have that. It is not a matter of family issue because I love my family but I love Edo State more. So, if Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu has solicited my support, it is beholden on me to listen to him and it is beholden on me to look out of the two that would best serve the interest of my children and the children of all those who work, live and are indigenes of Edo State.

I realised that the best thing for the future of our children, their children’s children that it is better for me to support Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu. And the Accord Party also decided to cooperatively support him and on Sunday, the Accord Party executive hosted Pastor Ize-Iyamu and opted to support him.

BUT MEMBERS OF THE LARGER OBASEKI FAMILY SEEM NOT HAPPY WITH YOU OVER YOUR DECISION TO SUPPORT PASTOR IZE-IYAMU WHO IS YOUR FIRST COUSIN...?

I don’t want to reply them because my family is not a political party, my family is not a political pressure group, and my family is my family. The act of a few members of the family particularly those who have gone to the press, Mr, William Obaseki and Chief Oyuki Obaseki, to disparage me in the public will not make me to degenerate to replying them, but it is on record that they are neither the head nor spokespersons of my family. If the official head or spokesperson of the family does that, I will reply because I am not the only Obaseki who is on the Pastor Ize-Iyamu campaign train.

WHEN YOU THREW YOUR CAP INTO THE RING TO CONTEST THE GOVERNORSHIP ELECTION, DID IT OCCUR TO YOU THAT ONE OF YOU HAD BEEN PROGRAMMED TO EMERGE AS A PREFERRED CANDIDATE?

The truth of the matter is no. Before the primaries, I went round the wards, preaching that Governor Adams Oshiomhole will be a man of history because he told me from the beginning that no man is God, he told me that it is one man, one vote and I have spoken with him severally before then and I believed that the man will duly and truly exhibit that which he had preached before.

So, I was very shocked that Oshiomhole who said, one man, one vote, who said no man is God, who said death to godfathers would now be the one who appears to be doing otherwise.

THERE IS THIS ARGUMENT IN THE STATE THAT THE GOVERNOR’S PREFERENCE FOR GODWIN OBASEKI WAS TO ENABLE HIM GET SOMEONE WHO WILL BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH HIM AND WATCH HIS BACK?

There is no act yet to tell the mind’s design of the face but when you are profiling, you profile from actions and Oshiomhole’s action seem to tilt towards that but the people are wiser.

From what we have seen playing out, it is Oshiomhole who is going to perpetrate the Biblical hand of Esau and the voice of Jacob.

MANY PEOPLE ARE OF THE VIEW THAT THE GOVERNORSHIP CANDIDATES OF THE TWO MAJOR PARTIES ARE ENGAGED IN CAMPAIGN OF HATE AND ARE NOT ADDRESSING ISSUES. HOW DO YOU REACT TO THIS?

I don’t truly agree on this because I have not heard Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu come to the open and throw unbridled insults at the other party. It is Oshiomhole that we should blame. Before Ize-Iyamu started his campaign he has given out his agenda to everybody in a book form. When I was growing up especially in the Second Republic when we had the Unity Party of Nigeria (UPN) and the National Party of Nigeria (NPN) and others, they all had their agenda. The UPN for instance had its free education, free health, integrated rural services and the NPN green revolution.

But this is the first time any of the aspirants will have a published agenda, the SIMPLE AGENDA. So, anybody who wants to know about Pastor Ize-Iyamu’s manifesto for Edo State needs to go through the document; but I do not know what the agenda of the APC is for Edo State.

WHAT WILL BE YOUR ADVICE FOR THE AVERAGE EDO VOTER?

If we don’t change this change, what we get will just be a mere exchange, a mere cosmetic make over. My advice to the average Edo voter is guard his vote, protect his vote, make his voice emerge because it is time to make our voices emerge from the dented politics of the past.

I will appeal to the voters- be they market women, traders, bus drivers and the youths to help re-write the future of Edo State in gold by voting for someone who has the state at heart. I am canvassing seriously for Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu.

Friday, 29 July 2016

For Many Months I Didn’t Know My Husband Had Died — Lady Aguiyi Ironsi

For Lady Victoria Aguiyi Ironsi, the shock of the news of the tragic death of her husband, the late former Head of State, Lt. General Johnson Aguiyi Ironsi can never go away. She described the day and entire period as shocking and terrible dark days. But she remains grateful to God that she weathered it all. In this interview with Vanguard in Umuahia, Lady Aguiyi Ironsi laments that both the Federal and State Government do not accord the nation’s heroes the respect they deserve.

TODAY IS 50 YEARS OF THE TRAGIC DEATH OF YOUR HUSBAND. HOW DID YOU RECEIVE THE NEWS?

Well, it is 50 years now, I am happy that God has kept us alive till today. And today, one can look back to those dark days. It is not a day one can forget in life, we keep remembering it. The shock can never go away.

HOW DID YOU FEEL WHEN THE NEWS CAME? AS THE WIFE AT HOME, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE NEWS CAME THAT YOUR HUSBAND, THE HEAD OF STATE, HAS BEEN KILLED. HOW DID YOU RECEIVE THE NEWS?

Shocking, it was a terrible thing. But usually when a soldier marries a woman, he always tries to bring her up to his standard, that is to be brave and courageous. Time without number, they go out and they don’t return.

They tell us as wives, 'as a soldier, I can die any day.' They don’t hesitate to tell us something like that. And when they tell us things like that, we always think they are just talking, but they are teaching us something serious, really.
In my case, when I got worried, he would advise me not to be worried. He would tell me, 'don’t be worried, I am a soldier, I can die any day.'

So on this fateful day, it happened. Where did he go to, a meeting in Ibadan; Fujuyi was hosting him at the State House, Ibadan. From a meeting you don’t see your husband again; he was not sick, nothing. What you do, nothing, you wouldn’t even know what to do, you are just empty.

It is only God that can console you, that time you need God most. That was what happened to me, it was shocking. You don’t even know the true situation of things. Nobody told me whether he was dead or alive. For so many months, no information on whether he was killed. People just kept trooping in [to the State House], saying this and saying that, then you are dumb, you can’t even talk.

I just kept looking at thousands of people that came to see me. Who were you going to talk to? Some people said they saw him in Umuahia, his home town, some said they saw him in other places, I was just looking at people talking, I did not know what to contribute. I was just confused, looking at them.

BUT BEING THE WIFE OF A GENERAL, AND GOING BY WHAT HE USED TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE RISK IN HIS PROFESSION, WERE YOU ABLE TO PUT ONE AND TWO TOGETHER TO SENSE THAT HE WAS DEAD?

Oh yes. That was why I called Emeka [Col. Emeka Odimegwu Ojukwu, the Governor of Eastern Region] and told him to take me down to the East, that I didn’t think I would continue to remain here [State House], Lagos. I called him to make arrangement to move me down, and he did that immediately.

WERE YOU WITH THE CHILDREN THEN?

Of course, even my first son who came from London on holidays followed him [Gen Ironsi] to Ibadan for the meeting. I did not even remember that he was there with him, he followed his father to Ibadan for a meeting; he said he wanted to have a sight-seeing. A young boy, who had been in London all his life, just came home on holidays. I didn’t even remember again that he was with his father because my brain was off.

HOW DID YOUR SON FEEL THE TRAGIC INCIDENT?

He was with his father in the State House, Ibadan, when the soldiers came [to arrest his father]. His father put him in the wardrobe and went down stairs to meet the soldiers who came for him.
He warned his son, 'don’t enter any car, just take train and go back to Lagos.' A very clever boy, he did as instructed and came back to Lagos on train.

WAS HE THE PERSON WHO EVENTUALLY TOLD YOU WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO YOUR HUSBAND?

No, he did not even talk. He just entered and said, 'oh, I have a brave father. I have a brave father, he didn’t allow them to touch him; he followed them to wherever they were going.'
He said he looked through the window, that his father just entered his car and followed them. And Fujuyi, (who was his host])insisted that he must go with them where they were going. He said he was looking at them as they left. He told me, 'mummy, dad said I should tell you not to cry.'

HOW ARE YOU PLANNING THE MEMORIAL SERVICE?

The church service will hold Friday, 29th July, at the Martha Day Catholic Cathedral, Umuahia, and reception will hold here in the house. The memorial service is to thank God for keeping us alive. He, himself, being a man of God would be happy where ever he is now. So we have to thank God. Members of the Legions have indicated interest to come and they will go to his burial site to pay him respect.

What Of The Military Authority, Did You Extend Invitations To Them?

My dear, only members of the Legion have said they would come. But the Military know about it. 50 years anniversary is a national thing. Even the Federal and State Governments ought to take it serious, but they are busy doing their politics. It is their responsibility to do everything I am doing now about this programme, but they don’t care, the Government, both Federal and State, are busy doing politics, and the past heroes they don’t recognize them.

It is a major event in the nation’s history, but look at how they are handling it. The man who just phoned me is the chairman of the Legions in the State, informing me that they are coming in their uniform.



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Wednesday, 27 July 2016

THE ACHIEVER: "I WAS NOT DECLARED WINNER AS KWARA STATE GOVERNOR ... BUT I WAS A SURE ALTERNATIVE." .. Dr. Mike Omotosho.


"For Dr Mike Omotosho, the District Governor of Rotary District 9125, serving humanity is a calling he cherishes above all else. In this chat with The Interview, he speaks about his motivation for throwing his hat into the political turf to run for Kwara State governor in the last general elections, his Foundation, the wonderful impact of Rotary on his life and the four-way test tool he believes will change the mindset of Nigerians, both leaders and the led, for a better nation for all. It’s a compulsory read.

During the last general election, you contested the Kwara State governorship election; were you really interested in being Kwara State governor or you just wanted to experiment?

Let me take you a little back to four, five years before then when I set up the Mike Omotosho Foundation with a bid to help my people. The initial concept of the Mike Omotosho Foundation was to have a network of youth leaders with a global mindset, but the idea would be that we can act locally. When we got into the communities, we now realised that there were lot of problems in the community: women where suffering; not only women but children and the elderly ones in general.

So, we had to do more than our initial plan. So to come to that, we had to come up with medical mission to over 12 communities. There we shared out over 10,000 treated mosquito nets, over 6,000 wheel chairs, treated over 5,000 people, and we normally do basic checkups. For those that require basic treatment, we treat them, and those that require referral, we refer them elsewhere. We also looked out for women, especially widows - those that already have skills, we retrain them; those that don’t have skills, we train them on skills acquisition. At a particular time, we had a project where we had as many as 14 different skills being taught, and even though it was for women, you would still find men there.

 We did not stop there. After that, we gave them micro credit; it was not a grant but a loan and you would be shocked: as much as 96 percent of those that collected the loans have already returned them, within six months to one year, and those that dragged up to one year are those that are into crop farming and so on, and they needed time to be able to harvest their crops and sell them.

A lot of women that went into soap making, candle making, etc., were returning money almost immediately. You can imagine the gratification you would get in your heart by putting smiles on people’s faces.

We continued all of this and my people said, ‘Dr. Omotosho, we know you want to help, but with your Foundation you are only able to help when you want to help. There is no moral injunction to do things for your people, but when you are representing your people, then we would have the moral obligation to demand from you and we believe we would get much more. We want a government for the people, somebody that has the fear of God at heart and truly wants the progress of the people.’

And that is why I keep saying I am not a politician, so I am truly an accidental politician. And that is how I got into the race, and yes we were not declared the winner in the election, but I tell you something, Omotosho was a sure alternative.
So that was how I got into politics, and if you go anywhere in Kwara State, they would tell you about Omotosho; they would tell you how we did our politicking - that changed the face of Kwara State. We went to the 16 local government areas; we went to each of the wards, campaigning and telling them of the hope that we brought to them as a sure alternative. We did politics the way it should be even if we didn’t win the election.

Why exactly do you want to be governor? Can you give us just three reasons?

First, I am not the type that criticises government, but I ask you, in the last 16 years, what have we seen as democracy dividend in the whole of Kwara State? There are facts to show that Kwara State allocation has been as much as N11trillion, but where is it? In as much as it is small, but how have they spent it? Our people are in abject poverty.
Personally, I tell people, if there is a woman that has a sick child and lacks accesses to medical attention, somebody is not happy and that person is Mike Omotosho.

If there is a child that goes to bed hungry, I am very angry. If there is a young adult whose parents had suffered to train through the university, comes back home after service (NYSC), and four years down the line he is still being fed by his parents because he is jobless to the point that he is already disillusioned and beginning to consider crime. We cannot allow that to continue to happen. What government should do is to provide the enabling environment for small and big businesses to flourish, and when we do that, it becomes easy for everyone to carry his cross.
And more importantly, I think it’s better for the people to have a government of their own, so we can have a strong democracy.
A government for the people by the people and for the people, not just in definition only; someone they can associate with, someone that has been with them and understands their pains.

When I was doing all of my Foundation work, I was not really interested in politics. I did it because I saw it as doing God's work. For me, there is a major fulfillment that comes from putting a smile on people’s face. There is a satisfaction that I get for giving voice to the voiceless and hope to the hopeless. But beyond satisfaction, there are fringe benefits - the hand of the giver is always on top, because givers never lack. And that is why I tell people two reasons; even if I don’t want to help you because of you, I see it as not helping myself, because I stand to benefit more and that is a simple logic. How it happens, I don’t know, but it is a universal law; it’s in the holy books.

What are the lessons you have learnt from that outing?

The lessons I have learnt are that Nigerian politics is not textbook theory; it is not enough to have the support of the people because it is not the people’s mandate that is currently prevailing. That is the reality. Go into Kwara State and ask questions from people; that (government) is not the people’s choice. These are some of the lessons I have learnt. The other lesson is the hard truth - that our people have suffered so much that they would collect a small sum and sell their birthright for the next four years. I am not making an excuse for them but you cannot blame them; somebody is hungry, he is thinking of where the next meal would come from; he is not ready to wait for the next four years; he would take what he has now and forget about the four years because he wants to survive for that day. Everyday belongs to God and that’s the way they see it. That is the mentality we must change, and I tell you, it’s not about money; it’s a huge problem. I am sure Kwara State is not alone in that peculiar problem. People must learn to be above gratification. Nigerians must recognize that there is no gain without pain, and when you are above gratification, the harvest and profit would be a lot more than taking what you have now.

Usually when politicians contest elections and lose, they are compensated with some juicy positions or contracts; what did you get?

As you can see, I got immediate compensation from the people - the love I get is unprecedented. Any time I go to the state today, you would see the welcome bids I get. Even if I go through the airport,- even if I am going by road, they would know  - you would see and you would be hearing prayers and blessings from even people I don’t know.  I tell them I am not a politician that cannot do what he says; I am a man of my words - I do what I can do, and even those I cannot do I would call my friends. If I can’t find friends here, I would go international. That is the beauty of belonging to international associations. For instance, I am a Rotarian and being a Rotarian gives me access to almost 1.3 million business and community leaders who have the same mindset of helping humanity. I can reach out to any of these 1.3 million people and say, ‘Hey, I have a problem, please join me to solve this problem’. That is the beauty of the whole thing. In January this year, we had surgery for over 500 babies. I didn’t do it; we got a team of 17 volunteers from Canada, USA, Australia and even India, and for two weeks they were in Kwara State conducting operations for free. All we did was to provide their consumables; they came in with their equipment. When they were leaving, they took some and even left some behind. The government also supported – it gave us the general hospital to use and provided accommodation, so we must thank them. That is the beauty of Rotary. The profit is the fulfilment you get for making the life of somebody else better.

In Rotary, we don’t replace government; we only support what government is already doing, and that’s why we exist as clubs in communities, so that we can fill the needs in the community.

And the same policy is what I adopt as a human. So if a community needs a borehole, we would come together and raise the money to fix it. If the club cannot fix it, they would call the districts heads. If the districts heads cannot help, we would go to Rotary International and apply for a grant to be able to achieve the said project.

And I tell you, the wiliness to help is what matters a lot. It is not how much money you do not have or how much money you have, because to help humanity is not about money alot.  At times, you could use your talent to help. For instance, if you are a journalist, you can use your talent to promote somebody’s problem; you can use your pen and paper to make everybody know about it, until somebody hears it and gives justice to the person. I believe in this way you didn’t spend your money but you help humanity. So in Rotary, we encourage people to use three things - money, talent and time.

If you did not get anything, why?

I wrote a book entitled “Altruism”. It simply means helping somebody without getting anything in return. I went into politics not because I want to be governor; I am just one citizen out of everybody else. To me, leadership is moving along with your followers. What you are simply doing is providing a guiding light to let people know where they are supposed to be and make them understand that this is where they should be. So, it is a combination of three things: first you have to let them know where they should be, and that is why you need a vision; second is communication and, finally, you need to motivate them to action so that they would truly follow you to that place.

And when you have done all these three, development starts, and that is what leadership should be. If you are going in there, it should not be for any compensation or any rewards.  After all, I knew I was going to be governor of Rotary, covering 23 states and the FCT, and that I am able to be addressed as Your Excellency. I have over 100 clubs under my portfolio. In fact, in the first 150 days, we travelled over 25,000 kilometres by road to commission over 300 projects, making over 150 media appearances, visiting royalty, governors, and ministers - over 100 of them. And I knew I was going to be governor of Rotary even when I was running for governor of Kwara State, and they said, “Mike, why are you running for one state while you already have 23 states? So, for me, it is not about the title.

Before then, I was already governor of Toast Masters International District 94, covering all of West Africa in the year 2013/2014 Toast Masters Year. I became the best governor in the entire Toast Masters World. What is in the title? It is not about the compensation; the only opportunity we missed was to serve the people, an opportunity to better our lives as Kwara people, and for me, that is the only pain, but besides that, there is no need to worry, because it’s an opportunity to do more. In fact, I have gotten more than 200 awards (you can just see a few of them here). I have gotten over 320,000 chieftaincy titles, from the north, from the south, from the west, from the south-south and from everywhere. For me, it is recognition, but beyond recognition, it is a challenge - that I should do more of whatever I am doing now. Just on Saturday, a hospital was named after me in Kaduna. So what other compensation do I need, even not being the governor of Kwara State.

Will you still contest in future elections or is that you are done?

The truth of the matter is we are all political animals; not everybody wins electoral contest, and I tell you, truly you don’t need to contest election to touch the lives of people. If my people insist and they believe that it would help, and I am convinced that it would help make life better, why not?

But we don’t have plans to say we are career politicians, that after this election, we begin to plan the next one; of course not, the most important part, for me, is helping the people.

There is this belief that contestants spend a lot of money during elections; where did you get the kind of money you must have spent?

I think contestants spend a lot of money when they give money to godfathers. We don’t have any godfather; the only godfather we had during our campaign was Baba God, so we didn’t have to give anybody money for anything. Of course, we gave out money for food, logistics and item mobilization, but then we got a lot of goodwill support from all sides. You would even see posters from people that I didn’t even know at all. Yes it is a lot of money but I think the bulk of the money that people usually mention are meagre, because if you calculate all of it, it is not more than what you would use for medical mission.

Can you tell us how much you spent?

Personally, I have also been afraid to calculate how much was spent. For instance, we had 420 billboards in Kwara State alone. We had million bottles of bottle water, the Omotosho Water, not to talk of appearances, jingles. People were doing jingles free of charge. Of course, we had to pay for press coverage; we had to pay for advertising of jingles - those one also cost money. The beauty of this all is the level of campaign that we did. We reached out to the people and the people were with us when we were doing our campaign. You need to see the numbers of trains that would voluntarily follow us;  not like the other political parties that would go and rent vehicles and trains. In our case, people would abandon what they were doing and carry other people and their van and follow us. That was the support and the strength that we got from God, and the testimonies are there. Go into Kwara and ask them; don’t rely on what I am telling you; go and ask them. And for me, what we were going to do differs from anybody else. It was to govern Kwara State on the four-way test And the four-way test tells you what we were thinking, and whatever you want to say and whatever you want to do, just ask yourself one questions first, is it the truth?

Second is, is it fair to all concerned? And, third, we need to build goodwill and better friendships between me and the people and then, finally, you need it to be beneficial to everybody. If it is not the truth, why do it? In fact, if it is not the truth, you don’t have to move to question two. So, the fact that it is not true means that even if it is fair, you should do it, no! And the beauty of the four-way test is, it has been applied, tested and proven to be profitable for 84 years. It can be applied to propose legislation by government, to come up with a new legislation. Ask yourself, this bill that you want to pass, is it the truth? If it is the truth, then you ask, is it fair to all concerned. If it is, will it build goodwill and better friendships? And then, finally, will it be beneficial to all? Only then should you go ahead with it. That was what we were going to do for Kwara. It was an opportunity to actually make everybody a better person, because the change that we are all clamouring for cannot come overnight. Let the change happen in the community: I will decide to change; he would decide to change, and then the community will decide to change. Just like Mother Teresa said, ‘If you want our community to be clean, you would clean your doorsteps; he would clean his doorsteps and I would clean my doorsteps, then the community would become clean.

And that’s the beauty of the four-way test, because it is about me, my words and my actions. It is in me and I am in total control, just like you are in total control of yourself. Ironically in relation to others, so after controlling myself, how do I relate to you? Will it build big, better friendship if I apply the four-way test to the things I think, say or do to you. More than likely, you would be happy. It will also inspire you to be a better person as well and, gradually, the community changes; I change, you change, everybody changes.

It is one year since this administration came in; what is your assessment?

Nigerian people are complaining. They believe that the change that we want is a bit slow, but I tell you, just like the word change, there is no pain without gain. There has to be a painful process of evolution, so we need to wait and endure for the bright light at the end of the tunnel. We are beginning to see positive signs; we are beginning to see a shift, from the crude oil sector into other areas of the economy, significantly agriculture. We are beginning to see the plans that they have for power, for housing, for even rural resources, minerals and natural resources. So, all of these are indications that we know what we are doing. I just plead with people to be patient; it is a painful, slow process, but I think it is going to be worth it at the end.

Can you truly say we are better off now than we were two years ago?

I may not be able to say that, but I can tell you that in another one year or two, we would be better off than we were several years back. That’s the beauty of it, because it is a painful process. If you look at that process, you would say nothing is happening. It is like a bamboo tree; you have a bamboo tree, you would be watching it. The first month, it would just come out small; you will be watching it for six months, then the next 18 months, it would now grow several branches. So, yes, it may not be better off than last year, but in one or two years’ time, I believe it would be better than we were in previous years.

What are some of the pitfalls you have noticed in President Muhammadu Buhari’s government?

Oh yes, there has to be significantly improved communication. Because the change process is extremely painful, people must be carried along, to understand that, ‘Look we are going through a process of change and that change is needful.’ The people must understand this; that’s where the problem is. So there has to be complete communication to re-orientate people on the need to follow. Remember when I described leadership, I said you need people to see where you are going, so I assume the government of President Buhari knows where they are leading us to. And I believe it is the best place to lead us to, but the people need to also see that place that they are leading us to, so that they can be inspired to follow and stop complaining, because when you are complaining, you are not helping anybody. You need to say that’s where we are going and we would get there, let’s re-organise ourselves; let’s cleanse ourselves. There is a saying in my place that when a masquerade is chasing you and you are running, don’t stop, because as you are getting tired, the masquerade, too, is getting tired; so don’t be tired, continue to run, so everybody would continue with a unison of purpose. If we understand where we are all going, it becomes a lot easier to cope and adapt.

Do you have faith in this administration? If yes, why? If no, why not?

Yes, if given the desired support from people. If the complaints get too much, everything would crumble. The truth is, it is our government; we are all in this together. The same sun shines on all of us together, and when doom comes, it’s for all of us. We don’t have any other country, so we all must come together and build the Nigeria of our dream. If they go wrong, we would correct them as a voice, as one body. We would come together and say this is what we want. We’ll all come together and be sure that we get to the desired destination.

 What are the things you believe this government can do to restore the hope of Nigerians in this administration?

Improve communication, for instance; carry everybody along. For instance, a town hall meeting of the minister of information in super; go in there and tell the people all your plans, what you are doing, what difficulty you are facing, open to people. Like the minister of petroleum, he tells us when the containers are berthing. Let people know the pains, the struggles, everything you are going through. He can reach out to a large proportion of the youth on social media by doing a little clip and it will go viral, telling people the difficulty he is facing and when it will be all over and you will see that people will stop complaining.

Can you mention just three things you believe this administration has done right?

Well, they do understand that there has to be a strategic plan at increasing foreign direct investment, and they went for a partnership.  I think that is also very strategic. Of course, it has its own pitfalls that we must guard against, but that is very strategic, and letting people know that there are alternatives. Over-dependence on crude oil has affected our focus. Before we discovered that, we had groundnut pyramids in Kano. Where are they? Where are the cotton and cocoa farms? Where are all of those today? Once there is less emphasis on crude oil and people begin to seek alternatives, life will begin to become a lot better and economy sustainable. So even as a nation, we should have multiple sources of getting revenue; it is not enough to just depend on one resource base.

Do you see this administration making real and sustainable impact by 2019 when its time would be up?

With the support of the people, I say yes, I see a tremendous improvement. The change agenda should work with the support of the people.

There seems to be this movement or, should we say, awareness, especially among young people, calling the leaders to account; do you think this is sustainable?

It is absolutely sustainable, I tell you. It would make them not just transparent but also ensure accountability. Let me tell you a story of accountability and transparency: if you have a blind man who is your friend and he trusts you enough and says, ‘Please come and roast my groundnut for me, he trusts you; that is why he said you should come and roast his groundnut. The fact that he gave you his groundnut means he trusts you. As he is even standing there, you will do something so that he would know that you are roasting his groundnut. You would even be whistling - that is transparency. Accountability is that you finish roasting the groundnut and then you hand it over to him. Beyond that, you would not move a step - to let him know that you were not eating his groundnut while roasting it, that you were even whistling; that is exactly what is happening today when the youths are holding their representatives to be accountable, because it would also bring transparency back. With that they would be able to relate directly and let them know the suffering of the people back home in the communities so that they can effectively represent them.

Seriously, what is your reaction to the many problems the 8th National Assembly presently has with the people?

Well, I don't think there should be exceptions to corruption probe. How long is the 8th Assembly, for instance? So if they are allegations, and the allegations have not been confirmed or otherwise, then I don't think it is fair to begin to talk about it. However, you know we are just getting there. If it were advanced countries, you would see them step aside pending when the issue is resolved - let somebody else take charge - but you know we are in Nigeria, that may not exactly be the case. But we are getting there, because gone are those days that you cannot even come up with any allegations, spurious or real, against the top hierarchy in government. But this is the point that anybody can actually be searched; even the number one, number two man can also be searched as far as there is room to prove your innocence. So, begin to tell our people that people are watching and once the judiciary system is enforced and it becomes empowered and fast, most of the things that we are yearning for would become reality.

Do you think Senator Saraki should resign? If yes, why. If no, why not?

No, that’s not what I am saying. I said in advanced countries, somebody of his status, if not resign, would step aside. Same thing happened in Iceland, for instance, where the Prime Minister resigned just because of the Panama Case. So I am saying that in advanced countries, somebody of his status will step aside, not necessary resign.

So, I think he should go and prove his innocence, because the scenario that happened in Iceland may not happen in our case. The topography is totally different; his resigning may lead to something else. But if he can prove his case, or he’s proven guilty, then let the full wrath of the law take its course.

What are your thoughts on the recent incessant attacks by alleged Fulani herdsmen and what do you think is the way out?

I think it is totally appalling. It is unbelievable. It is not even about Fulani herdsmen; I find it totally unthinkable that someone can take a knife and then butcher a fellow human being; it doesn’t matter the tribe; it doesn’t matter the nature of the disagreement. I told people two years ago during the medical sector crisis (that) it’s not about who leads the profession; it’s about the patient. If the doctor is thinking about the health of the patient, the pharmacist is thinking about the health of the patient, the nurse is thinking about the health of the patient, and everybody focuses on the health of the patient, then there would not be any need for struggle over who is in charge. Like in this case, it is not about the Fulani herdsmen but we are human beings, fellow human beings; this is totally appalling and unbelievable. It is unacceptable in any race; it is unacceptable in any religion, and I believe the powers that be will put a stop to this.

But beyond that, that’s why I keep mentioning the four-way test. See, it is so easy to come up with legislation; it’s so easy to come up with a law enforcement agency; it’s so easy to come up with the military to go and crush a force, but beyond that, let’s appeal to each other’s sentiment. If we apply the four-way test of: is it the truth? Let us build goodwill and better friendship; will be beneficial to all concerned? We will all have better communities and society, and the corruption will become a lot easier to fix, because as individuals there will be a change in our mind-set. And that is where I think it starts from - our attitude will change and then once our habit changes, the community will change and then our culture as a nation will also change. It is not about military warfare; it is not about the legislative process; it is about appealing to each person’s conscience and that’s why this road we were would have gone ahead to unleash the four-way test initiative. We have a lot of billboards out there; we have a lot of posters and handbills letting people know about the four-way test gains. That will paint a vivid picture of how you can transform and change your life from being an ordinary person to becoming an extraordinary person through the four-way test of truth, fairness goodwill and benefit to all concerned. If we can effectively push this from the top to the bottom, from the bottom to the top, from our executive to the legislative arm, to the judiciary, all the way down to the military and parastatals,   business entities, schools, everybody, our community will be a better place. I foresee a Nigeria where you stand in a queue and somebody wants to come and join the queue. I tell you, the corruption we are talking about, it starts with tiny indiscipline that we take for granted. We are focusing on just financial corruption, misappropriation, embezzlement, but I tell you the real problem is in the basics. You are probably in Kubwa, you have an interview with somebody, and you are running late, and you claim to be five minutes’ drive away when you are actually half an hour away. We all do it and we don’t think it is a problem. All these tiny acts of indiscipline, that is what corruption starts from, and that is where we should start from. And if we start from there, by the time you are standing on the road and you want to offer bribe to somebody, and the person is asking you, ‘Oga, is it the truth?’ you will think twice.  By the time you get to an office and you are looking for your file and the man there is saying, ‘Sir, your file has not reached here?’  and somebody is saying, ‘Oga, is it the truth?’ you will bring out the file. That exactly is what we are trying to achieve by propagating the four-way test initiative.

Do you think the grazing bill is the way to go?

The truth is that I normally leave law making for lawmakers, because they understand that and do it better than us, but if you look at advanced countries, instead of having grazing reserves, it’s a lot easier to actually have ranches because grazing reserves means you can dole out such land and you make it available to almost everybody. But when you have a ranch, it belongs to you; it is your business. It’s like having a radio transmitter and then you can pick any bandwidth to operate.  I don’t think that is done in any part of the world. We should give these people sense of ownership. Let’s give them sense of belonging; let’s give them what belongs to them; let them have ranches. In most parts of the world, in the developed countries, you would see hectares and hectares of farmlands belonging to an individual, so their (herdsmen) having different areas for their cattle is possible, and it is doable, and we have a lot of land in Nigeria, why can’t this be done. But like I said, I will leave law-making for the lawmakers, but for me, is it truly fair to all concerned? That’s after you have answered if it is the truth. You know, the beauty of the four-way test is this, you start from one to two to four.  If it is not the truth, you don’t have any reason to ask if it is fair to all or not; if it is not the truth, let’s discard the idea totally because you cannot build on a flawed foundation. But if it is the truth, then we move to the second question. If it is not fair, but it is the truth, you will abandon it because when you are building, even if the foundation is correct and you don’t have a decking, then there is nothing reasonable you are doing. So it is like building a house: first you have a foundation, then you have the wall and then the roof. That is when you will say that the house is complete. That’s exactly how I see the four-way test. So you move from one, two, three and then four. If there is a no at any point in time, you discard the entire idea totally.

What about the governors; people believe that even if things are not going well at the federal level, they can still make positive impact in their respective states if they are serious about good governance. What do you think?

Well, I think that even beyond that, we should hold all of our leaders accountable, from our councillors, to the local government chairmen, to the state governors and everybody. Of course, uneasy lies the head that wears the crown, so it is only natural that all eyes will be pointed on the number one man because the buck stops on his table, so all eyes will be on him. For me, enough of even complaining and criticising government - what have you done as a person? And that is why we have come up with the world’s thickest book, “My Dream Nigeria,” based on the four-way test. We are collecting essays and we are going to collect the best 12,000 essays to publish the world’s thickest book. It will be a co-record holder of the Guinness Book of World Records. We don’t want to know about the problems you are facing; tell us about the dream that you have for Nigeria - how do you see that beautiful Nigeria that you have in your mind - and write it down. So we are making people conceptualise the Nigeria they want to see.

You have been in Rotary for a very long time; what’s the motivation?

Well, for me like I said earlier that there is a major profit when you put a smile on people’s faces. Like I said, that profit is not financial profit; it is the fulfilment that comes from giving. However, as an individual philanthropist, I can continue to do whatever I want to, but the beauty of Rotary is the harmonisation. In Rotary, we have almost 1.3 million business and community leaders - like minds - who come together for just one thing: community service, service to humanity, touching the lives of somebody else. In Rotary, my N1,000, your N1,000 and his N1,000  - that is N3,000 - should give us impact worth more than N5,000; otherwise, there is no point. I can go and be spending my money to help the community, and you could be spending your own N1,000 to help the community, but that is the beauty of Rotary. I will give you a classical example: every $1 that anybody donates from Rotary or through Rotary towards polio eradication will be merged by $2 from Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, making $3, and then governments of other nations can also add to that. Let me give you an example: if I put down $1 for polio eradication and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation puts down $3 and we merge it together, that become $4 - that is the beauty of Rotary. It encourages team work; it encourages synergy, where everybody comes together for the good of the economy. That’s why I say that you provide selfless service for both self - believing that one profits the most who serves the best, and that profit produces more money. It’s the fulfilment we get for making the community a better place.

When you joined Rotary, did it ever occur to you that you would one day become the DG?


No, when I joined Rotary, I never knew I was going to be a DG. In fact, I normally tell people that I am an accidental Rotarian. When they were inviting me to join Rotary I said no, (that) Rotary is for retired people, rich people, not a young, struggling youth, not a young struggling man. I have a family to take care of; I need to train my children through school. And moreover, I give arms, I donate to the society, I come out if needed, so why should I come to Rotary. But when I joined Rotary, I saw the benefit. There is nothing like the strength, the synergy of like minds working for the same purpose. I ate Rotary, I slept Rotary, I woke Rotary, and for me that is the fulfilment that you get for service to humanity. My great grandfather told me a story - about keeping yam tubers for the next planting season even when my family members are hungry and I refuse to respond; that when I come back in a year’s time,  that yam, would not remain the same: it may have disappeared into private stores.

If I am living in a community, when my neighbours are very hungry and I refuse to do anything about it, my chicken that is walking around that neighbourhood will disappear one day. So if I don’t do it because of them, I will do it because of myself. Because, like I say, the real motive is that fulfilment that you get from touching somebody else’s life. Givers never lack. And I tell you something, irrespective of where you find yourself, irrespective of where you come from, there is always sometime that you can use to help somebody else, so I tell people that there is always something you have that you can use to be a gift to the world. You can truly touch somebody’s life; it don’t matter how much money you have.

Rotary is a non-profit organisation and you have always been so deeply involved; how do you pay your bills?

Yes I am district governor for one year, Rotary pays me. You cannot join Rotary if you don’t have a vocation, so you need to have a vocation, because it is your vocation that they use to serve humanity in conjunction with others. We have five avenues for service, and the most important is the vocational aspect of service. You can also provide club service; you can also provide a vocation service to make the community a better place; you can also provide international service, maybe for peace and conflict resolution, maybe for cultural regeneration service. You can also provide youth service, working with the new generation adult so that they can grow into the society that you want to see in future. If you don’t mould them now, then they would grow up to be what they want to be. You are truly not a leader until you have groomed a leader who has groomed another leader, so you have to work with the youth.

What are your three major achievements since you became the DG?

First,  we create a lot of awareness for Rotary. We have had a lot of complaints of Rotary being a secret cult. Every Rotary meeting in the world, anybody can attend. Anywhere in the world, you can attend, the only thing is if you are not invited to that meeting, you sit as an observer. We don’t have meetings in secret places, so we create awareness for more and more people to know about Rotary. What we have been able to do is to bring in more members. When I became governor, we had precisely about 1,875 Rotarians in our district, but today we have almost 3,000 members in our district. But more importantly, we have been able to contribute our own little quota in making Nigeria a better place, changing people’s mind-set by encouraging them to apply the four-way test. Of course, the four-way test was not created by me; it’s been around for 84 years, but we initiated the four-way test campaign. We took it to the high and mighty; we took it to the campaign all the way from the top, down to the bottom, primary school pupils, secondary school students, the undergraduates, post-graduates, workers, the whole state governors, ministers.

In fact, the four-way test book was unveiled by the Speaker of the House of Representatives himself, Rt. Hon Yakubu Dogara. I was with the minister of petroleum resources when we launched this four-way test book. Gen. Yakubu Gowon was there; Fashola was there; Donald Duke was there; we have the EFCC chairman come to be part of it. We are creating that mind-set, and we are compromising attitudinal change based on the four-way test. I think that has been very phenomenal. The reception has been awesome.

What drives you?

Well, as a human being, I believe we are all living on this earth as tenants. Everybody is still a tenant. Now the catch here is, if you are truly a tenant, you must pay rent, and that pay is the service we provide to somebody else, and whoever chooses not to provide that service voluntarily will have to pay that rent. It’s like going to borrow money from the bank. If you don’t pay when you are supposed to pay, you would still pay and you will face penalty. But in this life when you know you are supposed to pay, your rent is the service you provide to somebody else, doing God’s work particularly to those  that we don’t know at all. That is the highest form of giving and I tell you, everybody has the capacity to give.

What books have made the greatest impact on you? How?

Well, a lot of self-development books like THINK AND GROW RICH, not financial wealth now, but mental wealth, because for most of us the problem has been financial ideals - that’s the truth, so when people are able to change their mind-set and begin to abide by what would benefit the community, then the community would be able to be great. But I tell you, of all the books I have read, the most impactful is actually on a single page. It’s called the four-way test. It is simple certain, easy to remember, yet the impact is undeniable, and it is easy to use.

You have a wife and children and you are always on the move; how do you manage the balancing?

Well, I would say I have been extremely blessed by people that understand me as family members, because they understand, and for every moment I spend with them, they are happy, and that’s the beauty of life.

How do you unwind?

For me, thinking about humanity is what gives me joy. That alone is what gives me joy and makes me relaxed, so the more we are able to find solutions to our problems as humans the better. I live humanity, I sleep humanity, I wake up humanity; if there is opportunity to make the life of another person better, I am happy to do that. And I believe that there is that leadership trait in everybody, so you just need to find it, discover it and help that person make it better."

Culled From The Interview Magazine.

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